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Jana Steingass's avatar

Ya, I just wrote something to somebody recently about how I dislike the trend that started (probably) really strongly with Bessel Vdk with the body keeps the score, saying the mind might think xyz but the body doesn’t forget. This is a subtle grammar that is analogous with this movement that you’re talking about. Phenomenologically, we might experience this separation (like there is a “me” that is aware of something, and sensation or movement or reaction that feels like it’s holding a different story than “me”). But this separation is mostly conceptual and cultural, and learned. Not actually real.

The whole non dual path is to realise this, that the body is mind and the mind is body and all of it is various levels of awareness, awakening and reflecting and enfolding on itself. Formlessness and form dancing paradoxically simultaneously.

The sacred moves through the body, maybe, but the body also arises within the sacred. There is no separation between the mundane and the sacred, or formlessness and form.

I’m so on board with you, and what you wrote.

I have just started not limiting the body as something through which something moves, but also simultaneously being aware of the body (world) arising in and moving through the same something as that which moves through it.

When people perceive *themselves* as the subject moving through the body *only,* then it is only one part of the picture. (And then that also is the same side as the phenomenology/experience of something *else* moving through the body *other* than “me,” creating the perception of entities, possession, etc.) it’s not to say that theses things aren’t real, they have a reality to it, but the reality of it is different based on the center of perception. If they are identified with what is “moving through” the body and not centered in what is aware of who/what is moving through the body AND that the body is arising in the same who/whatness, then it can lead to some serious fragmentation (and this move to want to polarize in one aspect or the other, and ping pong between them).

😁😁😁😁 so excited for the next few days with you 💖💖💖

Caroline Carson's avatar

Such an important discussion, I’ve thought about this pendulum swing alot 😮‍💨 Not to mention learning to hold the dichotomy of spirit and matter. Ascension and embodiment. I love Gemini energy.

I felt this article in my bones and on every dimension.

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